{"id":23946,"date":"2022-05-31T16:08:04","date_gmt":"2022-05-31T20:08:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/?p=23946"},"modified":"2022-10-09T11:59:07","modified_gmt":"2022-10-09T15:59:07","slug":"episode-064-editcon-2021-breaking-the-mold-in-series-tv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/fr\/2022\/05\/episode-064-editcon-2021-breaking-the-mold-in-series-tv\/","title":{"rendered":"Episode 064: EditCon 2021: Breaking the Mold in Series TV"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"23946\" class=\"elementor elementor-23946\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-596309af elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"596309af\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;,&quot;shape_divider_bottom&quot;:&quot;opacity-tilt&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-shape elementor-shape-bottom\" aria-hidden=\"true\" data-negative=\"false\">\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 2600 131.1\" preserveAspectRatio=\"none\">\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" d=\"M0 0L2600 0 2600 69.1 0 0z\"\/>\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" style=\"opacity:0.5\" d=\"M0 0L2600 0 2600 69.1 0 69.1z\"\/>\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" style=\"opacity:0.25\" d=\"M2600 0L0 0 0 130.1 2600 69.1z\"\/>\n<\/svg>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-63d47b85\" data-id=\"63d47b85\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-1c5950f1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1c5950f1\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-64dccd2d\" data-id=\"64dccd2d\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-332fd9a8 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"332fd9a8\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23951\" alt=\"Episode 064 - EditCon 2021: Breaking the Mold in TV series\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web.jpg 800w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web-750x750.jpg 750w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/TEC_EP064_web-12x12.jpg 12w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-27eeaa7\" data-id=\"27eeaa7\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3891fbed elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"3891fbed\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Episode 064 - EditCon 2021: Breaking the Mold in Series TV<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-61363e0e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"61363e0e\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-185e5212\" data-id=\"185e5212\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ceb856 elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"ceb856\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1222b3d7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"1222b3d7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">This episode is part 6 of a 6 part series covering EditCon 2021 that took place virtually in February 2021.<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-64fb917a elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"64fb917a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-5c5f789\" data-id=\"5c5f789\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-16eb6a85 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"16eb6a85\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Editcon_ep64_still.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23952\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Editcon_ep64_still.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Editcon_ep64_still-18x10.jpg 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-6a91cfc\" data-id=\"6a91cfc\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-35ad06cd elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"35ad06cd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>We\u2019re currently experiencing a watershed moment for increased representation in storytelling. This year we\u2019ve seen a wealth of stories originating from the BIPOC, LGBTQ2S and female perspectives that not only tackle tough topics surrounding mental health, addiction, sexual assault and racial prejudice, but also present powerful aesthetic and editorial triumphs. The editors behind I May Destroy You, Euphoria, and #BlackAF join us to discuss their groundbreaking work.<\/p><p>\u00a0<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-3f57949 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"3f57949\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-c786ec9\" data-id=\"c786ec9\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-164aafd elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"164aafd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Christine-Armstrong_sm.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23949\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Christine-Armstrong_sm.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Christine-Armstrong_sm-391x260.jpg 391w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Christine-Armstrong_sm-18x12.jpg 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-40af7d2\" data-id=\"40af7d2\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6dc3cc7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6dc3cc7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"text-align: inherit; color: var( --e-global-color-text ); font-weight: var( --e-global-typography-text-font-weight ); letter-spacing: -0.015em;\">Christine Armstrong is a picture editor splitting her time between Los Angeles and Toronto. She has edited a variety of feature films, television series, short films, web series and commercials. Armstrong\u2019s recent work includes editing the series #BlackAF (Netflix), Barbelle (Amazon) and feature films Sugar Daddy, Mary Goes Round and The New Romantic which premiered at SXSW and won the Special Jury Recognition for Best First Feature. She is currently editing the series Rutherford Falls (NBCUniversal\/Peacock) starring Ed Helms.<\/span><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-f43b40e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"f43b40e\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-fb6b81b\" data-id=\"fb6b81b\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a436a75 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"a436a75\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"612\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/ShannonBakerDavis_sm.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23948\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/ShannonBakerDavis_sm.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/ShannonBakerDavis_sm-10x12.jpg 10w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-621f467\" data-id=\"621f467\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f3afcc6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"f3afcc6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Shannon Baker Davis, ACE is an award-winning television and film editor. She began her career in unscripted television on iconic and Emmy-winning shows such as Top Chef and Project Runway. Her feature film credits include collaborations with directors Stella Meghie (The Weekend, The Photograph), and Ali LeRoi (The Obituary of Tunde Johnson). She has worked with creators Issa Rae (Insecure), Ava DuVernay (Queen Sugar), and Kenya Barris (Grownish, #BlackAF).<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-42017d8 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"42017d8\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-305a498\" data-id=\"305a498\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0c1b90f elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"0c1b90f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Julio-C-Perez-IV-ACE_sm.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23958\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Julio-C-Perez-IV-ACE_sm.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/Julio-C-Perez-IV-ACE_sm-18x10.jpg 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-7d72568\" data-id=\"7d72568\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-db0c4d5 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"db0c4d5\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Julio C. Perez, IV, ACE lives and works in Los Angeles, editing in both narrative and documentary. His feature film work includes Chad Hartigan\u2019s award-winning This is Martin Bonner, which screened at Sundance, and an ongoing collaboration with director David Robert Mitchell, editing The Myth of the American Sleepover, It Follows, and Under the Silver Lake, which have all screened at Cannes. He has recently worked with director Sam Levinson on the series Euphoria, as well as the upcoming feature Malcolm and Marie.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-91bded2 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"91bded2\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-bbcb6c5\" data-id=\"bbcb6c5\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1e99506 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"1e99506\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"614\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/CST-Headshot_sm-1.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23955\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/CST-Headshot_sm-1.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/CST-Headshot_sm-1-10x12.jpg 10w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-6eafa79\" data-id=\"6eafa79\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-a88389b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"a88389b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Christian Sandino-Taylor is a film editor, and occasional screenwriter. His career started in the writers room and as editor on the surreal comedy series Campus. Recent work includes I May Destroy You, Sally4ever, Love Wedding Repeat, and the upcoming From Devil\u2019s Breath, directed by Orlando von Einsiedel (Virunga\/The White Helmets). In 2018 he wrote and edited To Wendy Who Kicked Me When I Said I Love You, an offbeat, romantic short film which premiered at the London Film Festival.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-55782c5 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"55782c5\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-bdf2443\" data-id=\"bdf2443\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b3d710b elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"b3d710b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" src=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/1-ShonnaFoster-Headshot-Acting-DL-_-SF-copyright_sm.jpg\" class=\"elementor-animation-shrink attachment-large size-large wp-image-23947\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/1-ShonnaFoster-Headshot-Acting-DL-_-SF-copyright_sm.jpg 500w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/1-ShonnaFoster-Headshot-Acting-DL-_-SF-copyright_sm-391x260.jpg 391w, https:\/\/cceditors.ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/1-ShonnaFoster-Headshot-Acting-DL-_-SF-copyright_sm-18x12.jpg 18w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-a8af434\" data-id=\"a8af434\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8a5b312 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"8a5b312\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Shonna Foster is an award-winning director, storyteller, and producer. She received her BFA honors degree in Theatre from York University, where she studied in the Creative Ensemble Conservatory. She currently works as a freelance director, producer, and story consultant in film, television, and branded content, and is a long standing board member of BIPOC TV and Film.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6164cf elementor-widget-divider--view-line elementor-widget elementor-widget-divider\" data-id=\"6164cf\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"divider.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-divider\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-divider-separator\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-bb49e47 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"bb49e47\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Listen Here<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b2df0fd elementor-widget elementor-widget-html\" data-id=\"b2df0fd\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"html.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<iframe title=\"Embed Player\" src=\"\/\/play.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/23126012\/height\/128\/theme\/modern\/size\/standard\/thumbnail\/yes\/custom-color\/930505\/time-start\/00:00:00\/playlist-height\/200\/direction\/backward\" height=\"128\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"\" webkitallowfullscreen=\"true\" mozallowfullscreen=\"true\" oallowfullscreen=\"true\" msallowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border: none;\"><\/iframe>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-ddac12f elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"ddac12f\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-ea9ed60\" data-id=\"ea9ed60\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-88b6ea9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-accordion\" data-id=\"88b6ea9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"accordion.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-accordion\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-accordion-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-title-1431\" class=\"elementor-tab-title\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"button\" aria-controls=\"elementor-tab-content-1431\" aria-expanded=\"false\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-accordion-icon elementor-accordion-icon-left\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-accordion-icon-closed\"><i class=\"fas fa-plus\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-accordion-icon-opened\"><i class=\"fas fa-minus\"><\/i><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-accordion-title\" tabindex=\"0\">EPISODE 064 Transcript<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"elementor-tab-content-1431\" class=\"elementor-tab-content elementor-clearfix\" data-tab=\"1\" role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"elementor-tab-title-1431\"><p><b>The Editor\u2019s Cut &#8211; Episode 064 &#8211; \u201cEditCon 2021: Breaking the Mold in Series TV\u201d<\/b><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[show open]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sarah Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hello, and welcome to The Editor\u2019s Cut. I&#8217;m your host, Sarah Taylor.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We would like to point out that the lands on which we have created this podcast and that many of you may be listening to us from are part of ancestral territory. It is important for all of us to deeply acknowledge that we are on ancestral territory that has long served as a place where indigenous peoples have lived, met, and interacted.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We honor, respect, and recognize these nations that have never relinquished their rights or sovereign authority over the lands and waters on which we stand today. We encourage you to reflect on the history of the land, the rich culture, the many contributions and the concerns that impact indigenous individuals and communities. Land acknowledgements are the start to a deeper action.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[show open]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today&#8217;s episode is part six of our six-part series covering EditCon 2021 that took place in February of 2021, Breaking the Mold in Series TV.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We&#8217;re currently experiencing a watershed moment for increased representation in storytelling. This year, we&#8217;ve seen a wealth of stories originating from the BIPOC, LGBTQs plus, and female perspectives that not only tackle tough topics surrounding mental health, addiction, sexual assault, and racial prejudice, but also present powerful aesthetics and editorial triumphs.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The editors behind I May Destroy You, Euphoria, and Black As Fuck join us to discuss their groundbreaking work. This panel was moderated by award-winning director, storyteller, and producer, Shauna Foster.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Intro Voices:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And action. This is The Editors Cut, a CCE podcast exploring, exploring, exploring the art of picture editing.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let&#8217;s start by thanking the CCE and welcoming everybody to EditCon 2021. I just want to take the time to introduce our panelists.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So we have Christine Armstrong and Shannon Baker Davis from Black As Fuck, #blackAF; Christian Sandino-Taylor from I May Destroy You; and Julio C. Perez from Euphoria. So we are super lucky today to have you all here.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you for being with us. I May Destroy You, #blackAF, Euphoria are shows that definitely line with today&#8217;s theme for discussion, which is Breaking The Mold in Series Television.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These are three shows that, through their story, through content, through structure, through editing, through the creative teams, definitely align with breaking molds. To break molds, we have to be daring.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We have to be daring. And there&#8217;s a lot of discourse out there where the creators behind these shows, they talk about these shows coming from deeply personal places and from personal experiences.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I just want to quickly read a quote that Sam Levinson, who&#8217;s the creator of Euphoria, said. He said, &#8220;I just wrote myself as a teenager. I think those feelings and memories are still extremely accessible to me, so it&#8217;s not hard to reach.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And this notion of feelings and memories being extremely accessible is applicable, I think, to all these shows and the way that shows lift off the screen in such an explicit way, and so with the notion in mind of being vulnerable and being daring, let&#8217;s start with the question, how do you all as editors manage the process in a way that supports the creator and the personal element of each story? And let&#8217;s start with Christine.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think it&#8217;s just being able to create a creative space. My favorite times in the edit suite, in the edit room, is when the showrunner is just having fun and just in the creative juices.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I&#8217;m able to create that for them, and kind of when they have different ideas and everything, just kind of playing in the sandbox, I think, is the best way to kind of support them because this is all about being creative, and it&#8217;s a collaborative process. And even creating that space in the edit suite, I think, is the best way to support.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you. Julio.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So speaking of vulnerability, that&#8217;s how I feel right now, very vulnerable. But I think for me, I mean, there&#8217;s a lot of different approaches, I think, to this.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But for me, it&#8217;s sort of starting with the foundation of sort of the philosophy of what kind of editor that I&#8217;d like to be, and when you&#8217;re, one, interested in things that are tonally complicated and intricate, disturbing sometimes, emotional, and then also being very interested in working with directors of vision and conviction&#8230; And then for me as an editor, to do everything with my skillset and everything within my powers as an editor to help hone and possibly even enhance that vision, do everything I can to get it out in the world at its optimal state. And I care about what the director and\/or showrunner wants to say, and I desperately want to help bring that out into the world, I guess.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you, Julio.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just sort of, I suppose, echoing what Christine and Julio have already said, I mean, it&#8217;s all about the edit suite, such as we all know and I&#8217;m sure the audience who are watching.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s a sort of priest&#8217;s hold, isn&#8217;t it? It&#8217;s a place of trust.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There&#8217;s two of you, and they&#8217;re getting to know each other. I mean, I think a big thing is, especially on these three shows where you have these very powerful voices and distinct voices, you want to get to know the people you&#8217;re working with, right?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I mean, in order to sort of please them and challenge them at times and surprise them, you have to get to know them. So I think, as Christine was saying about playing, I was saying to a lot of people, like Michaela, for example, is such a great person to talk to.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She&#8217;ll come in, and you&#8217;ll start talking, and then 10 minutes later, you&#8217;re talking about your divorced parents. And you sort of build on these things, and you start to get to know each other.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I think our job as editors a lot of the time is to get to know our directors or whoever the creative force is behind the projects we&#8217;re working on, so not psychoanalyze them but understand them and be sympathetic to them. And then we know we can be the best creative partner we can be for them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But yeah, play and trust is, I suppose, the big thing. As soon as you have creative trust with each other, then you can go anywhere. And yeah\u2026<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think everything that&#8217;s been said, of course, I agree with. I live those themes all the time.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think something that hasn&#8217;t been said is that I think directors and producer writers expect you to bring yourself to the project so that the part of you that is triggered or the part of you that questions a character&#8217;s motivation, all of those things come into the edit and give what you&#8217;re doing so many layers, because if you are not bringing the real world and your experiences to it, it becomes kind of blank.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And like Christian said, you get into it when you have these conversations, and your producer or your director is sitting on the couch. And they&#8217;re tired, and they&#8217;ve been with it for so long, and I think they expect you to bring something to it that they maybe haven&#8217;t heard or haven&#8217;t thought of, and I always aim to be that sort of editor.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don&#8217;t want to just push buttons or blankly just cut the script together. That&#8217;s just not the kind of person that I am.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Since I have you on, Shannon, I&#8217;m going to go around again with this question. Do you get to do the first pass?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is the process you get to do the first pass and then they come in, or are they with you?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Normally, for the television shows, you get to do an editor&#8217;s cut. That&#8217;s part of bringing your ideas to it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Some of that stuff may get vetoed, and it goes through many, many iterations, but it&#8217;s always a feather in your cap when a scene you cut exactly the way you cut it ends up in the final product.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sometimes, you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Oh, I keyed in. That particular day, I keyed into something.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And you&#8217;re always looking for that high, but yeah, you get to do a first pass that is yours. And a lot of times, some of the best editors that have mentored me always say, &#8220;That&#8217;s your pass.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;That&#8217;s your pass. Do what you want to do to it. Stay within the tone of the overall series, but it is yours,&#8221; because it might not be yours after you release to the director [crosstalk 00:10:06] no longer.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Is that a similar experience for everybody in terms of doing that first pass?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the UK, I mean, I don&#8217;t know if maybe I&#8217;m wrong about this in general, but my experience has been&#8230; Maybe we have less time than you guys, but two days after they wrap, the director&#8217;s in.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So for us, and I May Destroy You is completely different and is a kind of crazy one because we had a mad deadline to hit. So basically, we finished, and bear in mind, Michaela is writing and acting and co-directing.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She comes in two days later, and then basically, there&#8217;s six editors going at the same time, and she&#8217;s just dancing between us, so I don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s interesting.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For me personally, I was not trained as an editor. I wasn&#8217;t assisting or anything, so sort of my way has always been, in a way, in reacting to that, has just been to go for it on the assembly.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So exactly, as you were saying, Shannon: All of the stuff I want to try and put out, I&#8217;ll just throw into that. But we don&#8217;t get the luxury of a kind of necessarily first proper pass.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The director&#8217;s in two days later, and you&#8217;re going through it, and then it depends on the director, so on this, Michaela&#8217;s in and out, off over there. She has to jump between six edits.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So it was specifically quite different, but in general, yeah, we don&#8217;t get that time. I mean, so do you guys literally get some time to fine cut a first cut for yourselves?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:11:46] four days. It&#8217;s not like you get a whole lot of time. [crosstalk 00:11:48].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But it just depends because block shooting changes everything, changes all of that. And I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;ve done a block shot, so to have six going on at once, it&#8217;s a different thing.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Usually you&#8217;re just in the round robin, and it depends. Limited series are different, but the director is for hire, and the directors, they&#8217;re in there for four days, and then the producer writers come in and do the final cut.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, you&#8217;re cutting as they&#8217;re shooting, and then so I&#8217;m shaping my editors cut in that time. And using that time while they&#8217;re shooting is the best part, because it&#8217;s just like, you have no holds barred.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can have any music. You can put everything. It&#8217;s so great to have that kind of editors cut, to have-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it comes back to what Shannon was saying. I&#8217;ve found, anyway, that the really good directors and creators are always enablers of other people&#8217;s creativity, right? They want your opinion on stuff.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They want a fresh opinion. I mean, I think that the myth of the director genius, the auteur, is dangerous in that sense because actually, the truth is usually that there&#8217;s a million people coming up with brilliant ideas all the time, and they&#8217;re just open to them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They have good taste. They choose a good one.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Going off that, that&#8217;s a perfect segue into where we&#8217;re going next, topic of doing things differently. So in my discussions with each of you, in one way or another, you all talked about how to do the job in a way that&#8217;s different from what&#8217;s been traditionally done and this notion of being a little bit anti-establishment, which I think is awesome.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so let&#8217;s talk about that a little bit. Let&#8217;s watch this clip from episode nine of I May Destroy You.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hey. [crosstalk 00:15:36].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Not my editing though, not my editing. The brilliant Amy Hounsell cut that episode, so props to Amy.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can we talk about though how the show uses POV and the fracture of time and sound in the cutting? And in episode nine that we just saw, it is definitely very heavy in that episode, but in episode 101, which we saw in the trailer, which just uses everything, all the things, can you talk about how you used that in the cutting?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, and I suppose also the question you asked before about breaking the mold and being anti, all of that stuff, I think what was fun about this show creatively was that Michaela&#8217;s, she&#8217;s not someone who&#8217;s obsessed with television. So I think her obsession is people and their motivations, and she&#8217;s curious about the world and systems.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She has a real sort of amazing, kind of omnivorously curious intellect, so what&#8217;s interesting is when they shot all this stuff, and we were sort of able to shape it in an interesting way as long as it reflected the script&#8230; So yeah, the first episode, when the lead character, she&#8217;s drugged and then comes round and then basically has post-traumatic stress and a panic attack, it was just a way of trying to find a way of doing that on screen.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I don&#8217;t know if anyone remembers in the beginning montage, there&#8217;s sort of a jump cut sort of drug sequence where time starts to go back and mix, and then there&#8217;s the hardest of hard cuts intended to be the most horrible, sort of badly timed cut ever when she comes to later in the morning, which is also biographical from Michaela&#8217;s experience. And then basically, time starts to fracture again, which I was reading a bit about post-traumatic stress and how the brain starts to protect itself by rearranging time, so you forget things.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s basically protecting you, and so that&#8217;s what we start to do when she goes into the toilet and stuff like this, but I suppose we were never trying to be anti-establishment. We were just free to just try and tell the story.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I suppose that was a nice thing about working with Michaela and Sam is Sam&#8217;s very encouraging. Sam&#8217;s the co-director.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He&#8217;s done lots of television, all sorts of different styles down the years, and Michaela&#8217;s just one of these people who just sees the world fresh. So you were kind of encouraged to just do this sequence as you were interested.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And of course, we had support from HBO and the execs and everyone who were just like, &#8220;Yeah, do it. If you have an idea, let&#8217;s do it.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And within the confines of, we had 12 episodes of half an hour, we had to hit those marks. But other than that, we were kind of free to just investigate anything we could do, and there was no style guide.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There was nothing. There was no conversation about that. It sort of evolved from episode one, I guess.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We sort of got that down first with music and everything, but it was an ongoing conversation. And the use of point of view&#8230; And that is a good example. Point of view is such a delicate thing, isn&#8217;t it?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You stay with a character for 20 frames, and you&#8217;re with them in that moment, and then you stay with the next character for another 20 frames, and you&#8217;re with them, and you change the shot, et cetera. But yeah, it was interesting because I think when someone says to you, &#8220;Hey, I want to do something different and fuck things up,&#8221; I always think, &#8220;Why?&#8221; You have to know to just do it is a teenage thing, just stick two fingers up to establishment figures.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think you just have to have a reason, and I think for us, I don&#8217;t think we ever thought we were doing that. It was never discussed.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If it came out in that way, it was because of the source material, because of what Michaela was writing about. She&#8217;s writing about characters and institutions and ideas in flux and change.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And anything we did as editors, playfully or consciously whatever, was just a way of trying to deal with very complex subject matter, stuff that is dramatic ironies; characters where one minute you love, one minute you&#8217;re questioning their motivations; all sorts of philosophical counterpoints. Basically, it&#8217;s a show where everyone has their own truth, and they just keep clashing, so how do you do that?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You don&#8217;t follow a single emotional narrative. So yeah, I guess I&#8217;m rabbiting on, but yeah, I guess it&#8217;s just interesting that we never talked about [crosstalk 00:20:46].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I think that&#8217;s because Michaela isn&#8217;t one of these people who knows every episode of Friends or even cares about television enough to have an argument with it. Television happens to be the medium where she told that story.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it could well have been a play or a poem. She&#8217;s done all sorts of things, and that&#8217;s really refreshing because it means you&#8217;re not part of this industry.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And suddenly, you are not doing the things you normally do because you&#8217;re not having conversations about it. There are a lot of examples where you have this amazing footage where you think, &#8220;Oh, great, I&#8217;ll just lay down a sad track, and I&#8217;ll win her a BAFTA for best actress because she&#8217;s doing something amazing.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;I&#8217;ll just play the emotion of the scene, and we&#8217;ll win every award in town.&#8221; But she was saying, &#8220;No, no, no. We don&#8217;t want to use emotion.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s such a seductive thing to manipulate people in a good way, that we all do it. We love it, but she wanted to make a show that was about ideas and was about argument.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And as soon as you privilege one idea by making it emotional, then we all tend to follow that story, whereas if you just hold back and don&#8217;t play for the normal things that we are asked to do in shows and dramas and movies, techniques she probably learned in the theater&#8230; And she talks about art cinema, and these distancing techniques to ask us to make the decision ourselves, because she&#8217;s not someone who has any answers. She&#8217;s someone who&#8217;s continually questioning the world.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you, Christian. Can we play this clip from episode five? We&#8217;re going to watch something from #blackAF.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These are good shows, guys. I&#8217;m very proud to be on a panel [crosstalk 00:24:34].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Amen. Amen. I&#8217;m dying, man.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:24:38]. Yeah. Shannon, can you talk about the challenges of cutting that scene? Because I believe [crosstalk 00:24:44] everything there was filmed separately. Am I correct?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They all-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was all filmed separately?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; filmed separately-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So yeah, what were-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; six separate-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; what were some of the challenges that you had?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:24:55]. It took me three or four days to do that one scene, and on a television schedule, that&#8217;s a lot, but they shot everyone separately. Most of the time, Kenya was not there.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sometimes he was there on the phone talking to them as they shot in their trailers or wherever they were, because they did it iPhone style. And they&#8217;re all very, very funny people that do improv.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And they did a lot of improv, and he just wanted to get all of that in, but one person couldn&#8217;t have known the improv line that the other person did because they did it separately. So it was about finding reactions and trying to&#8230;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There was a script, but the improv is so good that it was about finding reactions and lining them up and lining up Kenya&#8217;s reaction to all of that. And yeah, that was one of the scenes that I was like, &#8220;Please don&#8217;t let anyone try and pull this apart,&#8221; because it&#8217;s like Jenga.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You pull that one thing, and the whole thing would come tumbling down, and it pretty much stayed the same. There were a couple of jokes that we had to take out because they were, I guess, insulting or whatever.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:26:22] too much? Should we say this?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Should we pull back? But for the most part, they went for it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kenya went for it, and it&#8217;s a tough thing because the whole episode is about critics, and it&#8217;s a tough thing when you decide to talk about critics in your medium that is critiqued by critics. So that was an interesting rollercoaster to ride, but yeah, that scene was one of my favorites.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you, Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So good.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love your [crosstalk 00:27:02]-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So good.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:27:02] Shannon. That&#8217;s so funny.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So good. We&#8217;re going to continue on-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:27:06] funny as hell.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel like if you all have questions, you could pipe in too. I don&#8217;t got to ask all the questions because everyone&#8217;s [crosstalk 00:27:15], so I feel like-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I love I May Destroy You. I love Euphoria, so I&#8217;m just sitting here-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I love them too, big fan.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So tell me-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh yeah. No, I feel like I&#8217;m standing right now for everything. It&#8217;s amazing to be a part of this as far as excited about the work I do.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But then I mean, watching&#8230; Is #blackAF the official way to say it during this panel? But I was just absolutely just laughing out loud with the headphones on late at night where Anna, my spouse, is going to bed.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I&#8217;m laughing in the living room, and I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Did I wake her?&#8221; Because I mean, I was rolling.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And with I May Destroy You, the incredible texture between the lighter comedic moments that could be acerbic and then instantly shifting to something very deep and personal and dealing with some real trauma and hurt, those turn on a dime. I mean, both shows are great, so I&#8217;m stoked to be here.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We&#8217;re going to continue with #blackAF. We&#8217;re going to play a clip from episode number two.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nice.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I had so [crosstalk 00:29:50].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:29:50] Butterfly Festival, that&#8217;s right.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine, Shannon already a little bit touched on this, but I&#8217;m curious to know, because the show incorporates a lot of improv, what were some of the challenges in cutting that episode, if there&#8217;s any sort of devices that you may have used? Perhaps because when there&#8217;s so much improv, you might not have the most seamless footage to work with because of all the improv, and so can you talk to us a little bit about cutting that episode?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, for sure. What&#8217;s kind of great about this episode or this show is it&#8217;s very mockumentary documentary style, and there was a lot of camera movements and everything. So especially in this whole scene at the festival, I used a lot of wipes to cut, if that makes sense, to hide the cut, and adding more jokes and stuff like that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And that&#8217;s kind of what I kind of about comedy too is the challenge of improv and all that kind of stuff, because you kind of can rewrite the jokes in a sense. And I just loved all of that stuff that he was saying about the headdress with her friend, so I was like, &#8220;I have to include this, and this has to be in the cut.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so it&#8217;s so much fun to be able to rewrite the show in that way and put in all the funny jokes, and you have so many options and so many different ways you can cut the scene and so many jokes. And so maybe that&#8217;s the challenge is just trying to pick and kind of rewrite the whole scene to make it as funny as possible.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it&#8217;s kind of great because in that scene, they had the iPhone, and then they had the different cameras and all that kind of stuff. And it was just lucky, and I was just happy of how it all kind of came together, and it was really fun.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It looks fun. I wish I was there.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was so cool because they created a whole festival for that episode, so it was a fake music festival, of course, after Coachella and all that kind of stuff. And they just did it in a hanger in a lot in California and just made that whole place look like a whole festival, and I thought that was really well done.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[inaudible 00:32:08] big scenes like that [crosstalk 00:32:11].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I know.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Crowd replacement and stuff now is the [crosstalk 00:32:16].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The effect [crosstalk 00:32:17] is going to have a lot of work to do in the future.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can I ask you three a question? Just watching those clips, and Julio, from what I know about Euphoria and Sam, both of your bosses&#8230; this is true of Michaela as well&#8230; they&#8217;re sort of really flailing themselves, aren&#8217;t they, on screen? They&#8217;re using very super personal stuff or their personas.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don&#8217;t [inaudible 00:32:45] Michaela, but sometimes you&#8217;re sitting there thinking, &#8220;Wow, you are brave to do this and put this out into the world.&#8221; Did you find you had to encourage them?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I mean, what was that like? Because they&#8217;re seriously personal things, both the creators, all three of them, are putting out there. How was that [crosstalk 00:33:06]?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Especially them acting in it as well.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:33:08] acting-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, exactly.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; first time acting in it, yeah. Ours was heavily leaning on race and race in the industry that he&#8217;s still trying to make product in.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And granted, he&#8217;s he&#8217;s a super producer, and he can do what he wants most places, but he still talked about certain things and still has to go into meetings with people that may have committed some of these race aggressions. So there was a lot of, he would ask me, &#8220;Should we talk about this?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And for the most part, I was like, &#8220;Yes, because people are talking about it.&#8221; So it&#8217;s the same with kind of I May Destroy You.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It happens. It happens to people, so it resonates.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And they it&#8217;s definitely had to be brave or brazen. I don&#8217;t know what the word for it is.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s weird to call it bravery because they&#8217;re just being who they are, and there&#8217;s no magical thing to it, and it shouldn&#8217;t be that way. It shouldn&#8217;t be like, &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;re so brave to talk about issues that everybody&#8217;s dealing with on a daily basis,&#8221; that kind of thing.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel like all our creators or all our showrunners are being very vulnerable to their audience, which is kind of nice because you kind of feel connected in that sense. It&#8217;s like, &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m not the only one who feels this way or anything.&#8221; And especially them putting themselves in the forefront too and putting themselves in it, I think, is also vulnerable and brave, as you say, for them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Being your authentic self in the world.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You hear it in ways that become a little bit cliche about an artist needing courage to the point where you don&#8217;t really know what courage is. You don&#8217;t know what that means because, oh, this show becomes popular or this or that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What do you mean? How courageous is it?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But when you blend this autobiographical material, and you blend it with this incredible, fantastical realms, and it&#8217;s really hard to tell where imagination and reality begin and end; they sort of blend into each other; I think there&#8217;s a courage in the writing stage and then a courage to present it and an obsessiveness linked with that courage to actually have it fully realized through the editorial process. And I find it a really rare quality in directors and showrunners.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I&#8217;m amazed by Levinson and courage, just tons of courage, to the point of sometimes recklessness, because he just believes in what the show needs to be and what he wants to say. And he has to do it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s a compulsion, and it&#8217;s amazing to be a part of it. I&#8217;m inspired by it daily, and actually, in a bit of a contrast, actually, sometimes as editor, I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Whoa, should we be saying this? Is this okay?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Or I actually will bring up some caveats and concerns, and we&#8217;ll talk it out and figure it out and see and decide whether it stays or goes. And then that discussion extends to the producers when their concerns come up in notes, and then the HBO execs and drama, HBO, they&#8217;ll air their concerns as well.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then Sam and I will have those long discussions, like, &#8220;Okay, do we agree with this? How does this enhance the narrative that we&#8217;re telling? How does it shift characterization?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You get in these long discussions. I feel really blessed to be working with someone with as much courage and audacity as Sam Levinson. It&#8217;s pretty awesome.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nice. Thank you.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel like it&#8217;s your job as an editor to come at it from all angles, and if somebody says something on Twitter when it comes out, and you didn&#8217;t think of that, you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t I think of that?&#8221; [crosstalk 00:37:47] may think about it, and I just want to present all those ifs.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not on Twitter.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hashtag get off. [crosstalk 00:38:02].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, it&#8217;s interesting because as the editor, we&#8217;re the first audience, because we&#8217;re the only people who weren&#8217;t on set, even though sometimes you visit, but weren&#8217;t on set. And we&#8217;re the first test audience in a weird way because we&#8217;re kind of cutting it for other people, but I&#8217;ve been cutting it for myself too and being like, &#8220;This is how see it,&#8221; so it&#8217;s a gift that we get to do that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If I can also add, when we were cutting it, I had no idea that I May Destroy You would be what it&#8230; I mean, I know that when a show gets big or popular or has a cultural impact, you can never predict these things.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was more worried, I was like, &#8220;God, are people going to stay with it on episode three?&#8221; I had these stupid, pretty minor worries.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I had no idea, and then I remember I had to help out getting some clips for a thing and seeing episode two, and bear in mind, we&#8217;ve been seeing each other&#8217;s episodes. Normally on a show, you&#8217;re bored.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;ve seen it a million times, right? And you&#8217;ve pretty numb to it, but it&#8217;s one of the first times I&#8217;ve ever been on a show where I was like, &#8220;Wow, that is something.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I didn&#8217;t think it would be popular, and I definitely didn&#8217;t think it would blow up in the way it&#8217;s done and that it&#8217;d end up me talking to you guys. But what Shannon said, I think, is really true, that these three creators are just being themselves and that we&#8217;ve come on that train ride, and they don&#8217;t think twice.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so yeah, like you guys in the edit, I personally just didn&#8217;t think twice about any of the things we put in it and let the execs or the networks worry, if they were going to worry. Most of the times, we had amazing support from HBO and BBC. They didn&#8217;t really get in the way.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let&#8217;s watch a clip from Euphoria-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We&#8217;ve been in lockdown for a year. I need to speak.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Get it out. Get it out.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:40:02] Christian.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I must say, that&#8217;s one of my favorite Euphoria episodes. It&#8217;s so great.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes, yes. It&#8217;s so fun.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you so much.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s so fun. I mean, Julio, so-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:40:35] I&#8217;m telling you.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In our discussion, you talked about knowing tradition in order to subvert it, and how did that play into cutting the carnival scene? Which I believe you cut on site.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I did. Yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Actually, let&#8217;s go with that, and then I&#8217;ll ask the other question after. Let&#8217;s start with that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All right, great. So yes, much like the Lunar Butterfly Festival in #blackAF, or should I say Black As Fuck or #blackAF?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Whatever you want.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All right, great. I&#8217;ll keep it family friendly since it&#8217;s a panel.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No judgment either way.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">#blackAF, much like that Coachella-esque festival atmosphere, they actually put a real carnival down right there somewhere in Pomona, and yeah, they brought Sam. And Marcell R\u00e9v, the cinematographer, spent a lot of time planning it out and also storyboarding very, very intricately.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And Sam wanted to make sure, especially with the stitches at the top, wanted to make sure that they got it right, so that was the primary motivator. But then it ended up being just go ahead and cut alongside camera as much as I can right there where they&#8217;d pop into the room and get excited or be very, very distraught.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">No, I think they usually ended up being okay with it. But so, yeah, that was an adventure, and then as far as with tradition and subverting it, I think part of me that&#8217;s locked inside me is still a teenage boy.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so the way I can channel that into this show, I think, is very joyous, and I feel very fulfilled by that. But I think as a teenager, I had a bit of the iconoclast in me, always wanting to find a different answer than what the generalized establishment had for us or what society at large might say.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I&#8217;d be like, &#8220;But what about this?&#8221; As I&#8217;ve gotten older and moved along in my career and watched more and more film more deeply as well as some series, I feel like you see the traditions that you played in, even if you didn&#8217;t know it, early in your career.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And for the carnival in particular, I think you can look at, for instance, these interlocking narratives with a plural protagonist, so to speak, where you have these different characters, and they&#8217;re intertwining, and their ideas and lives, little snatches of it you catch here and there.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel like it&#8217;s hard to not think about Robert Altman as a filmmaker and his influence in telling those kind of tales. He took it to certain heights with 3 Women and Nashville and Short Cuts, things like that, and then so he might cast a long shadow from the new American cinema of the late sixties and into the seventies.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then you have how that might have been interpreted by American filmmakers in the nineties, American independent filmmakers like Paul Thomas Anderson and the way he employed very similar storytelling techniques in Magnolia. So you start to look at, let&#8217;s say, the traditions that are very deeply entrenched in American filmmaking from classical Hollywood, and you adapt some of those techniques or techniques of using establishing shots.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And how do you subvert that? How do you do something a little different yet get the information across?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sometimes you want to pay homage to something that you consider exceptional, but then never wanting to lean on convention for its own sake, that when you start to sniff something out as being overly conventional, you start wanting to find angles around it, over it, under it, away from it, whatever you need. And then once in a while, you might use the on-the-nose conventional technique or device in order to have clarity for the audience.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So then you can kind of go on a wild ride of unconventional storytelling, and you still have them because you gave the audience a grounding. So then you can go on these flights of fancy.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I acknowledge and admire those that went before us as filmmakers, and we have to forge our own path with today&#8217;s ideas, what&#8217;s going on in our society right now, in this moment. And to me, there&#8217;s always going to be resistance to something that isn&#8217;t conventional.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Even if it becomes popular, you&#8217;re going to have factions that want to, let&#8217;s say, knock it down a little bit, take you down a peg or whatever. That&#8217;s fine.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s part of the game, but I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s just the way that I&#8217;m built, and the collaborators and the brilliant directors and writer directors and showrunners that I&#8217;ve ended up with, we have a kindred spirit. It&#8217;s like, here&#8217;s what we call normal or conventional.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, how do we mess it up? How do we forge a new path?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do we innovate? And it&#8217;s an exciting thing to just dream on it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then to actually get a chance to execute it on certain types of shows or films, it feels indulgent and just so, so beautifully decadent. I get a chance to engage in that kind of cultural dialogue. I feel it&#8217;s just the best, just exciting and beautiful.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s so great. [crosstalk 00:46:46].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Speaker 7:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That is good.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, thank you. [crosstalk 00:46:51].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can see the joy and the love of cinema, especially. Even just that clip, I&#8217;m going, &#8220;Yeah, Magnolia, Boogie Nights, 400 Blows. Oh my God.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can see [crosstalk 00:47:05] love. You can see it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It&#8217;s in that lineage, and it&#8217;s so lovely that also, cinema is in such a state that it&#8217;s so lovely that you guys are doing that with the camera, with style. Yeah, I&#8217;m of that. I love the people you&#8217;re talking about, and to me-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Amen.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; I&#8217;m not going to dump on Marvel or anything, but I want independent filmmakers to be given $70 million to make a film as well as Marvel.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely. We need those mid to large budgets back. We need to fight for it because, well, what it is, and it&#8217;s wonderful, what&#8217;s occurred with series work, is that television series and streaming has sort of, let&#8217;s say, substituted and sort of drawn some energy for better and&#8230; I don&#8217;t know if worse is the word for it, but I think there are effects that do maybe harm the state of cinema, but then we do have a bit of a fluorescence of somewhat or very cinematic series I&#8217;d say at a fairly high level compared to what it was in the past.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I am deep in my heart a spiritual warrior for filmmaking and for cinema. That-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That was perfectly timed.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel it so deeply, so I&#8217;m with you. I feel like if we can get enough people that feel similarly, and let&#8217;s continue to not only fly the flag of cinema but also celebrate in series work where the cinematic and the bold&#8230;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And what we&#8217;re talking about here, there&#8217;s that mold; I want to break it. Let&#8217;s break the hell out of that mold.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s what I like about the streaming services, because working for Netflix and Amazon, I feel like they&#8217;re giving the creators this freedom because there&#8217;s no time limit to where you can make that space, and I feel the difference in that kind of energy.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I feel it too, Christine. [crosstalk 00:49:27].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I mean, I don&#8217;t know about American networks, but in England, shows like I May Destroy You, you can&#8217;t imagine them happening before all of the streaming services and HBO all upped the ante and upped the quality of work. And we&#8217;ve all had dumb exec notes, but they were great on this, I think because they recognized that shows like Black as Fuck and Euphoria are out there.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you can&#8217;t pull your punches, not that Michaela&#8217;s ever going to do that. But I think for the general level of dramatic and comedic quality, it&#8217;s great, because you can go, &#8220;Hey, look at these great shows.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;They&#8217;re huge. They&#8217;re successful on these huge platforms, and look at what they do.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because I know we&#8217;ve talked about how our creators are just being themselves, but for execs and commissioners, they look on those as massive risks. They look on, &#8220;You want to do it in one shot? No. Sorry, mate.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;You want to say that? You want to get Ava DuVernay to say that?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think it&#8217;s so exciting, like you say, that these shows are coming out and being watched by millions, and I think you&#8217;re right, Julio. In the nineties when I was younger, both of these shows might have been independent movies developed at Sundance and taken to can and stuff.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But we are lucky that they&#8217;re out there somewhere, and not just somewhere; they&#8217;re huge. They&#8217;re all over billboards and on these massive streaming services.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So yeah, we&#8217;re lucky, and yeah, amazing [crosstalk 00:51:13]. Yeah, exactly.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, there&#8217;s also more opportunity for ideas. Because there are so many shows, I feel like the shows that are trying to push the needle, they have so many more episodes to do that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When you had just independent features was the only outlet, how often did one of those come along where, on a series, you have four or five different directors; you have four editors; everyone is getting involved, and there&#8217;s more ideas in the pot, and that makes everything better?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So true, Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. I mean, look at these three shows. They&#8217;re amazingly different shows that all pursue the truth in their different ways.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And there&#8217;s so many different pleasures just in these three shows. What an amazing watch viewers have if they watch these three shows.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Completely different views of the world, completely different styles, genres. In terms of TV, we&#8217;re very lucky to be working now, aren&#8217;t we?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">All right, we are winding down a little bit, so I want to get to this last bit of stuff we have. Can we show episode one, a clip from Euphoria?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Wow. This is from episode &#8220;The Pilot.&#8221; This is the pilot.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And before I ask this next question, I want to share this with you. So in a discussion with Julio, he said, &#8220;The moment you define art, you miss it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;The most important thing about art and its function is building empathy to change the idea of being an addict with a capital A to being a human being who just needs the world means something. The moment someone feels less alone because of something I did, I&#8217;ve done my job.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m getting emotional. [crosstalk 00:55:26]. The question is, is there a specific moment, episode, scene, a time when you&#8217;re in a cutting room where this became especially clear for each of you, where you felt like, &#8220;I did my job&#8221;? Let&#8217;s start with Christine on this one.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Man, there&#8217;s just so many moments that are magic that happens in the edit suite. Sometimes I think for me, when I&#8217;m working with a showrunner or a creator on a film or a TV show, and they&#8217;re watching it, and they&#8217;ve created it; they&#8217;ve wrote it; they&#8217;ve watched it; they&#8217;ve watched all the footage; and they&#8217;re still evoking emotion, I feel that&#8217;s a great thing for me, because I think in the sense, sometimes when you watch the medium over and over again, you kind of get lost in it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And to be able to bring back that person who knows it&#8217;s coming, who knows that the laughter&#8217;s going to be there or there&#8217;s a sad moment, and they are still emotionally involved and invested, I feel I&#8217;ve done a good job in terms of that, I think, because if they, who&#8217;ve seen it many times, and people who are going to see it many times are going to still have that feeling. So that&#8217;s kind of my mark, I guess, what comes off my head.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you, Christine.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Awesome.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don&#8217;t know. I think I&#8217;m the opposite. I think I never know. You never feel like you know. I suffer from imposter complex, so-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Me too.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You too. You too. You feel like you do a good cut, but then they always have to take it away from me, always have to take it away from me, because there could be one more frame that could do something, or you just try so many different things.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I always have to try to remember how I felt about it when I first watched the dailies, and I take very extensive notes. Did this one make me cry?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because we watch people&#8217;s faces so intently, and the good actors are doing something different every single time. It&#8217;s very, very subtle.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you just have to try and remember how you felt about it the first time you watched it and trust that that is still there, but I just never know. I never know.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That trusting in this whole thing, that&#8217;s all you have.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:57:54] trusting that it didn&#8217;t get lost in all of the notes and all of the iterations that the cut goes through. You kind of have to trust and be like, &#8220;Okay, I know I felt this way. Hopefully it&#8217;s still there.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And sometimes it&#8217;s trusting your past self too who was watching it. [crosstalk 00:58:14].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 00:58:15] reading your notes, like, &#8220;Why did I say this was good?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Exactly. That&#8217;s so hard to do, to maintain that objectivity.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s the single greatest challenge, I think, is to be just as engaged with the ideas and the form and the technique and the emotional sort of oscillations. To stay engaged with that as you&#8217;re approaching the final mix, that&#8217;s the biggest challenge for me ever as an editor is to keep that the sensitivity open and not sort of shut down and become sclerotic, I guess you could say.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian, what about you?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I mean, kind of echoing everyone else&#8217;s thoughts, I suppose you just have to believe the thing you&#8217;ve made. You don&#8217;t know, do you?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You and your director, you try and get it right. You can tell if someone is working with people in the room who aren&#8217;t you because you can feel if they&#8217;re in.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You can feel if they&#8217;re locked in because you&#8217;re so sensitive to body language of other people when they come and watch it. You can feel when they&#8217;re locked in.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You know when they&#8217;re when the shift of a bum means, &#8220;Oh, God. Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I&#8217;ll cut that scene. Yeah, yeah. I get it. I get it.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But equally, when it goes out into the world, you just don&#8217;t know, do you? I mean, my partner was kind of like, &#8220;Right, we&#8217;re going to watch episodes one and two when they go out.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I was like, &#8220;Really? Okay.&#8221; And I watch again, and then after episode one cut to black, she was so proud.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It kind of made me go, &#8220;Oh, right. Oh, okay,&#8221; because I really respect her, but like everyone, you try to do your best. You don&#8217;t know.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You just hope. We sort of try and be surgeons of emotion and ideas, but ultimately, just then we&#8217;ve all been lucky that other people have felt the same things that we felt on viewing 808 rather than viewing 7,000 or whatever it is when we just can&#8217;t see the width of the trees. But yeah, same thing, I suppose.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you. Julio, do you want to add to that?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I completely understand where Shannon&#8217;s coming from too because I think when you get absorbed in this sort of wash of deadlines and pressures and everything that you have to do, and to just remain sensitive and open to the sort of magnetic presentation of certain performances, to sort of make sure that you&#8217;re receiving the performances accurately and the little nuances of micro expressions and joy and pain and whatever flashes across a human face, while people are like, &#8220;Hey, we got to do this, and by the way, do that. And don&#8217;t forget, oh, this is a new rule, and everything&#8217;s going on.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So you can have a low-grade chaos outside your edit bay door, and to maintain that focus is a primary task. That&#8217;s a foundational task and can be very tricky.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But as far as any one moment, I&#8217;m not necessarily a big person for epiphanies. I feel like if I have revelation, it&#8217;s over time and over experience and from hard knocks and from dealing with this and sort of picking yourself back up and keeping on going, less than that one vision on the mount or anything like that.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But so for me, I&#8217;d say specific to season one with Rue and saying like, &#8220;I&#8217;ve done my job,&#8221; I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s after the blur of getting it done, and I barely remember. It was a blur.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I just can&#8217;t believe we actually got through it and that it was intelligible, and I&#8217;m so excited about it. I knew it was a good script, so it&#8217;s even more pressure, like, &#8220;Oh, man, I can&#8217;t fuck this up.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And you see that people are loving Rue and that are invested in her journey, accepting of her frailties and foibles and wanting to keep going, and then you&#8217;re desperate and afraid that she&#8217;s going to relapse. And you want her to do what&#8217;s right, but you also want her to be herself. When you see someone else talk about her as if she were a real person and a character that seems fully realized those little moments, I think you can be like, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t fuck it up.&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you, Julio.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, just going off of that, tons of people thought that #blackAF was a documentary [crosstalk 01:03:18] they thought that those were his real kids.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When I was cutting it at first, I thought the baby was his real baby. I was like, &#8220;Oh, is that your baby?&#8221;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He was like, &#8220;No, that&#8217;s an actor too.&#8221; So something [crosstalk 01:03:32]-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So cute.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8230; were like, &#8220;Oh my God, I hate him so much. He&#8217;s such an asshole.&#8221; And it&#8217;s like, that&#8217;s not a real personality.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rashida Jones is not his wife.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. It&#8217;s not his real wife. [crosstalk 01:03:50] Twitter [crosstalk 01:03:53], people, but they do. They think that that was a real documentary of his life.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Wow.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Well, it&#8217;s just funny how I was just thinking that the other day, Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They were very upset. They were very upset.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And especially in the clip that you showed where the daughter calls him a dick, people are like, &#8220;Oh my God, how could he let his daughter call him that?&#8221; It&#8217;s like, it&#8217;s a television show. They wrote it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It taps into where we started because I believe I read that Kenya gets his own kids to read the scripts, and there&#8217;s an article where he talks about getting his older kids to read, and they have to kind of be on board with it. And again, all that whole notion of, this is personal.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And we see it. We love it. It&#8217;s so there that we think what we&#8217;re watching is his real family.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Write what you know.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Write what you know. Exactly.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s right.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Let&#8217;s play this clip from episode 10.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[clip plays]<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I&#8217;m going to read a quote, and let&#8217;s start there. So Michaela gave an interview to GQ last year, and I&#8217;m going to read.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wish Michaela was reading this quote, and this is what Michaela said. &#8220;I need to big up my editors. They&#8217;re brilliant, particularly Christian Sandino-Taylor, who did episode 10.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">&#8220;He&#8217;s the controller of that episode. He got my script, chopped it up, threw parts of it in the bin, dragged some stuff, fucked the whole thing, and created something far better than I could have ever made.&#8221; Christian, how? How?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And [crosstalk 01:07:44] dig into this next question, but we&#8217;ll start with you, Christian. How did you find points where the audience can just absorb the content, and can you talk to a little bit about leading the audience versus just giving us the answers here?<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I suppose in general, on that show, that actually is probably not a great example of this because that, we do use. We do play on the emotions very strongly.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I suppose in general on the show, it was about trying to balance truths. So it&#8217;s difficult to explain what I did on that episode because I basically was given it and recut it, changed the shape of it, and, as Michaela said, fucked it up.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But I suppose that ending, that last scene, which was earlier on in the episode before, what I try to do is initially, it was an episode just about Arabella and her journey, and the lessons she learned at home, she applied to her life. And then it wasn&#8217;t really working, so I realized you could make it about the family.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And what happens in that episode is the brother knows that the dad&#8217;s a philanderer, and the mother&#8217;s kept it secret, and Arabella is in awe of her father and ultimately finds out that that&#8217;s not true.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So basically, I was able to build it so you shifted perspectives. And then at the end, I suppose, yeah, what you&#8217;re saying, Shauna, is you allow that scene to play out largely in silence.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;re basically watching these people have a meal, but by now, you should know the full context of that scene is that Arabella has learned the truth of her father and can forgive him. The brother knows everything about the mother and how long she&#8217;s suffered with her dad&#8217;s philandering over the years.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So he&#8217;s watching the mother, and then the mother is trying to keep the whole thing together and has just been told that her daughter was raped. So placed earlier on, that scene, it had the context but not the power, whereas by placing that scene there and playing it in that way, you allow all the emotions to reach this crescendo and all the ideas, which are conflicting, to become this sort of coherent whole.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But again, across the series, what you&#8217;re trying to do is you&#8217;re not just trying to build the story of Arabella and make you empathize with her. Michaela wants you to also question her and then also understand the effects her actions have on other people.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I guess I can&#8217;t remember the original question, but I suppose that&#8217;s what you do. You just build in those conflicting ideas, and then you let the audience deal with it.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You make the decisions. Here&#8217;s all the information you need.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She&#8217;s feeling this. She&#8217;s feeling this.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it&#8217;s not necessarily going to be a comfortable ending for you. There&#8217;s lots of different questions going on here, and there&#8217;s no closure often.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So here you go. I suppose in that way, we use emotion to give you an emotional closure, but it still should be complex and should incite a kind of level of debate about-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I remember watching so many of the episodes and being like, &#8220;Oh, this could be the end,&#8221; because you set up that we were not going to get the answers from the very top, from the very beginning. And I remember being so afraid that we would not find out, Michaela would not find out, who had done what he had done to her.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I just remember because you just kept setting that up. There are no answers.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You&#8217;re not going to get the answers in the show, and I just was so afraid, like, &#8220;Is this the last episode? Oh, okay. Okay. We have one more. Maybe I&#8217;ll get&#8230; &#8220;<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But it was very satisfying. It was satisfying in that the journey, you were just watching her go through this process.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And it was very real and very guttural, what was happening. So I was okay with that somehow.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, I mean, lots of people weren&#8217;t. Lots of people weren&#8217;t.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio, God forbid you ever do go on Twitter, but if you do, you&#8217;ll see lots of people loved it. But lots of people were like-<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But it was so set up. It was so set up. You set up the kind of show we were going to get from the beginning, from the very beginning.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And sometimes in life, we don&#8217;t get those answers. That&#8217;s [crosstalk 01:12:23], right? So that&#8217;s why I kind of like it. Yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah. Yeah, [crosstalk 01:12:24] Michaela and Sam, all of our creators have done amazing work, haven&#8217;t they? We&#8217;ve been lucky to work with them.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Snuck it in.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[crosstalk 01:12:38].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yes. [crosstalk 01:12:38].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Unfortunately, we have run out of time, but we want to wrap with one last question for each of you to answer in one short sentence, and we&#8217;ll end with this, okay? Why do you do this work as an editor? Let&#8217;s start with Julio.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Damn, you had to start with me with that question.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[inaudible 01:13:09].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To discover and explore. I&#8217;ll keep it simple.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think to be a storyteller and help others tell stories and to get their voices heard.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, that&#8217;s great.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because people are complex, and I like pulling out those intricacies.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shannon Baker:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nice.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you. Christian.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A combination of all three. Honestly, I can&#8217;t add anything.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And because it&#8217;s really fun to do. Not always, but ultimately, it&#8217;s quite fun [crosstalk 01:13:48].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There are un-fun parts, yes.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Oh, yeah.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That&#8217;s another panel, the un-fun parts. Thank you all.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you all. This has been an honor.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Shauna Foster:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you to the CCE. I hope our audience enjoyed the conversation today.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sending love and light. Everybody keep safe, and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye, everyone.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Great work, everybody.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christian Sandino-Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You take care.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Julio C. Perez:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Honor and a privilege. [crosstalk 01:14:13].<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christine Armstrong:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thank you.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sarah Taylor:<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Thanks so much for listening today, and a special thanks goes out to Jane MacRae and Alison Dowler. This episode was edited by Jana Spinola.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The main title sound design was created by Jane Tattersall. Additional ADR recording by Andrea Rush.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Original music created by Chad Blain and Soundstripe. This episode was mixed and mastered by Tony Bao.<\/span><\/p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The CCE has been supporting Indspire, an organization that provides funding and scholarships for indigenous post-secondary students. 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class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-button-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"elementor-button elementor-button-link elementor-size-sm elementor-animation-shrink\" href=\"mailto:podcast@cceditors.ca?subject=To%20the%20team%20behind%20the%20Editors%20Cut&#038;body=I%20am%20reaching%20out%20to%20you%20today%20to...\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-content-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"elementor-button-text\">podcast@cceditors.ca<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2dcc341d elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2dcc341d\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;,&quot;shape_divider_top&quot;:&quot;opacity-tilt&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-shape elementor-shape-top\" aria-hidden=\"true\" data-negative=\"false\">\n\t\t\t<svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 2600 131.1\" preserveAspectRatio=\"none\">\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" d=\"M0 0L2600 0 2600 69.1 0 0z\"\/>\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" style=\"opacity:0.5\" d=\"M0 0L2600 0 2600 69.1 0 69.1z\"\/>\n\t<path class=\"elementor-shape-fill\" style=\"opacity:0.25\" d=\"M2600 0L0 0 0 130.1 2600 69.1z\"\/>\n<\/svg>\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-5b13fbcf\" data-id=\"5b13fbcf\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5cd4b544 elementor-invisible elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"5cd4b544\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-settings=\"{&quot;_animation&quot;:&quot;fadeIn&quot;}\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Credits<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-ad8ffbd elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"ad8ffbd\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-cfd65bc\" data-id=\"cfd65bc\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1076f71f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"1076f71f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>A special thanks goes to<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-506f2d7c\" data-id=\"506f2d7c\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-127c7619 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"127c7619\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Jane MacRae<br><br>Mandy Germain<br><\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-20545f70 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"20545f70\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-72eef4c8\" data-id=\"72eef4c8\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7c6e9e2a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7c6e9e2a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Hosted and Produced by<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-1ffc4628\" data-id=\"1ffc4628\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1ace50b1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"1ace50b1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Sarah Taylor<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-e835643 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"e835643\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-dd38c0b\" data-id=\"dd38c0b\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-0cc28c7 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"0cc28c7\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Edited by<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-fdafc45\" data-id=\"fdafc45\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ac0d72b elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"ac0d72b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Jana Spinola<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-1b539233 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1b539233\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-33f32419\" data-id=\"33f32419\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6b99b301 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"6b99b301\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Main Title Sound Design by<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-6a60425c\" data-id=\"6a60425c\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-39b0229f elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"39b0229f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Jane Tattersall<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-687b7698 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"687b7698\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-593c3388\" data-id=\"593c3388\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7e115c53 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7e115c53\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>ADR Recording by<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-5aa170a1\" 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